Pentru a isi spori “eficienta” Israelul foloseste in Gaza arme cu fosfor , interzise la nivel mondial
Sase civili, dintre care patru erau copii, au fost ucisi duminica, dupa ce Israelul a bombardat o locuinta din Fasia Gaza, anunta AFP. In aceeasi zi, corpurile a zece persoane au fost descoperite in daramaturile provocate de bombardamente in sudul orasului Gaza, au anuntat surse medicale si martori ai evenimentelor. Numarul mortilor este deja de 880 si circa 3800 de raniti.
O locuinta din Beit Lahya a fost lovita de tiruri israeliene, provocand moartea a doua femei si a patru copii, au declarat surse medicale.
Zece corpuri au fost descoperite in ruinele din cartierele Tal al-Hawa si Cheikh Ajiline, situate la periferia orasului Gaza, unde au avut loc lupte violente in zorii zilei de duminica.
Video despre folosirea armelor cu fosfor, si concluziile expertilor militari care arata cat sunt de distructive :
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Flory said
am January 11 2009 @ 3:29 pm
DE CE RAZBOI IN GAZA?
1.In 1947, ONU a decis crearea a doua state pe teritoriul Palestinei mandatare britanice: unul evreesc si unul arab. Evreii au acceptat, arabii nu. In ziua declararii independentei Israelului, 15 mai 1948, statul evreu a fost atacat de armatele a sapte state arabe. Pe care, cu sacrificii, le-au invins.
2.Israelul a atacat numai in replica, atunci cind a fost agresat. Nu e loc aici de aritmetica. Musulmanii sunt mai bine de un miliard. Evreii numai 13 milioane din care cam jumatate in Israel. Chestia cu copiii si femeile e valabila si pentru victimele evreesti.Teroristii au atacat scoli, spitale, restaurante, supermarketuri. Rapirea de avioane, dupa un patent kgb, a fost aplicata numai de arabi.
3. Nu toti arabii sunt teroristi dar astazi toti teroristii sunt arabi sau musulmani. Fara legatura cu antipatia cuiva pentru evrei, notez citeva ispravi care ar trebui sa va ingrijoreze: America 11/9/2001, gara din Madrid (cu multe victime din ro.), metroul din Londra, masacrele din satele Algeriei, asasinatele din biserici in Irak, Pakistan, Nigeria, Kosovo etc, atentatele din Bali, Indonezia, Maroc, Tailanda, recentul masacru din Momba, exploziile cu multi morti la ambasadele din Africa, distrugerea sculpturilor budiste din Afganistan., piratii somalezi, uciderea a 300.000 de locuitori in Darfur de catre sudanezii musulmani. Premiul de un milion pe capul scriitorului Rushdi, asasinarea regizorului van Gogh, vandalismul post caricaturi in DanemarcaI …
4. Populatia palestiniana: a) in Cisiordania e la putere Autoritatea palestiniana, presedinte Abu Mazen, in tratative pasnice cu Israelul. Libera circulatie, regim democratic- ateu, locuri de munca (inclusiv in Israel), somaj redus, relatii cu statele arabe sunite, moderate.
b) in Gaza – la putere organizatia fundamentalista islamica Hamas care declara scopul ei- lichidarea Israelului. Din august 2005, Israelul s-a retras TOTAL din Gaza, lasind sosele asfaltate, sere moderne, instalatii de irigare. SUA, Europa, tarile arabe bogate au donat miliarde. Lumea spera intr-un nou HongKong, un rai turistic, bancar, agrar, industrial.. Toti erau interesati in asta, mai putin Iranul ayatolilor, care doreste suprematia in lumea islamica. Hamasul e virful de lancie al Iranului shiit. Nu degeaba Egiptul, Saudia, Iordania, Marocul, Tunisia, chiar Libia nu ajuta cu nimic hamasul.
5. Israelul trebuie sa se apere. Din Gaza , localitatile israeliene sunt bombardate de 8 ani. A fost o intelegere de liniste de sase luni. La expirare, hamasul a lansat zilnic 80 – 100 de rachete, katiuse, mortiere. Israelul nu a ripostat, dar a avertizat. Toate tarile arabe au admonestat Hamasul, cerindu-i sa nu se joace cu focul. Iranul i-a sfatuit altfel. As mai adauga ca, in misiunea de a cuceri opinia publica mondiala, prin presa si T.V. , HAMASUL SACRIFICA CU BUNA STIINTA (INTENTIONAT SI CU “BUNE” REZULTATE, COPIII. Hamasul trage din scoli, moschei, acoperisuri…Iar sefii lor se ascund acum in spitale, stiind ca sunt feriti. In strada sunt aruncate viitoarele victime , arma induiosarii oamenilor civilizati, care nu le cunosc mentalitatea.
Un bun evreu roman
fane said
am January 11 2009 @ 5:41 pm
israelul trebuie sa dispara. punct. un stat artificial, creat pe un pamant care apartinea arabilor, asa cum sunt ei, nu trebuie sa existe.
flory, 9/11 si atocha au fost regizate de alte rockefeller si rotschild, adica tot de “neamul ales” pentru a obtine lucrul cel mai de pret voua: banii.
de ce credeti ca, in afara de america, unde propaganda, inducerea vinovatiei colective si manipularea sunt la ele acasa, nimeni nu va place?
VIOREL URBAN said
am January 11 2009 @ 5:49 pm
http://urbanviorel.ro/2008/12/30/baia-de-sange-din-gaza-oameni-nevinovati-mor-suntem-tinuti-fara-toata-paleta-de-informatii/
http://urbanviorel.ro/2009/01/02/video-mckinney-on-cnn-about-the-ramming-of-gaza-humanitarian-ship/
http://urbanviorel.ro/2009/01/04/top-5-lies-about-israel%E2%80%99s-assault-on-gaza/
Vlad Lungu said
am January 11 2009 @ 7:33 pm
Flory draga, ai luat-o pe campii.
9/11 ? teroristii arabi ?
metroul din londra ??? ti-ai uitat creierul in masina de spalat ?
Arabii au atacat primii ?
Daca ONU a decis sa dea pamant evreilor undeva de ce nu au luat o parte din Germania, ca doar Hitler a fost marele criminal ?
Evreii au atacat primii, cand s-au instalat acolo fara nici o rusine si fara nici un drept.
Tizul said
am January 11 2009 @ 8:22 pm
@ fane & Vlad Lungu- Un pic de istorie despre Palestina/Israel:
13 triburi de evrei au cucerit ?ara Israel, au colonizat-o ?i au format un regat.
Regele David a cucerit ora?ul Salem, c?ruia i-a fost schimbat numele în Ierusalim ?i care a devenit capitala evreilor.
Fiul lui David, Solomon, a construit la Ierusalim Templul, care urma s? fie unic în religia evreilor.
Asirienii, cu 600 de ani inainte de Hristos, au cucerit Regatul Iudeu, l-au distrus ?i au exilat o mare parte din popula?ia evreiasc?.
Peste 50 de ani persanii cuceresc Babilonul ?i permit popoarelor deportate s? se întoarc? în ??rile lor ?i s?-?i refac? templele distruse.
150 de ani inainte de Hristos, evreii s-au r?sculat împotriva st?pânirii greco-siriene, castigand independen?a.
50 de ani mai tarziu regatul a legat o alian?? cu Imperiul Roman care au transformat în cele din urm? regatul într-o ?ar? vasal?, fapt ce duce la aparitia miscarii lui Joshua (Iisus).
La inceputul erei noastre tara a fost guvernat? de prefec?i romani, în paralel cu regi locali.
În anul 66 a izbucnit o mare revolt? evreiasc?, numit? ?i Primul r?zboi evreo-roman. Romanii au invins si distrus zeci de ora?e evreie?ti, între care Ierusalimul cu Templul, sute de mii de evrei au murit în lupte sau au fost trimi?i la Roma în sclavie.
În anul 132 a izbucnit Revolta lui Bar Kohba, denumit? uneori ?i al doilea r?zboi evreo-roman. Pana la urma sunt din nou infranti iar Ierusalimul este interzis accesului evreilor.
Israelului i se schimba numele in Palestina (dupa numele filistenilor). Dupa scindarea Imperiului Roman si crestinarea bizantinilor incepe casapirea multora dintre ei si fortarea la emigrarea a unei mari majoritati iudaice.
Urmeaza ocupatia araba, de 500 de ani. Apoi cea a cruciatilor, in total vre-o 140 ani. Apoi Sultanatul de Egipt cam 250 de ani, cu mamelucii lui, care-au stapinit tara pana la 1500. Apoi ocuparea Israelului/Palestinei de catre otomani timp de 400 de ani. Odata cu destramarea Imperiului Otoman urmeaza ocuparea Palestinei de catre englezi. In acel moment, populatia semita de religie iudaica de pe teritoriul fostului stat antic Israel se ridica la cateva zeci de mii. Pamantul avea ca propietari, seici arabi, in majoritate nepalestinieni.
Si ajungem la timpurile moderne…
Declaratia Balfur din 2 nov. 1917 promitea incurajarea creerii statului evreiesc in Palestina (provincia britanica).
Teritoriul Palestinei cuprindea in 1917 si o buna parte a Iordaniei de astazi.
In 1922 Britania tansfera o parte din Palestina (partea de la est de raul Iordan) lui Abdalah fiul serifului din Mecca creinduse viitorul stat Iordania ca tara araba.
In 1929 britanicii evacuat toti evreii din zona Ghaza, in urma revoltelor evreiesti si arabe, interzicand evreilor sa locuiasca in Gaza.
In 1947 ONU propune impartirea teritoriului ciopartit al Palestinei intre evrei si arabi. Arabii refuza categoric. Evreii accepta cu greu compromisul, dar tratatul devine caduc- in momentul declararii independentei Israelului la 14 mai 1948 tarile arabe ataca, promitand nimicirea Israelului.
Ca si concluzie arabii au refuzat toate propunerile de compromis luptand pentru nimicirea Israelului, motivul fiind faptul ca Israelul este unicul stat nemusulman din Rusia pana la desertul Sahara.
Pe parcursul a 60 de ani, israelienii au fost atacati de N ori, de fiecare data coalitia arab fiind invinsa si pierzand teritorii:
http://ro.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conflictul_arabo-israelian
In definitiv, triburile israelite si filistene (asta daca acceptam ideea filistinieni=palestinieni) sunt
consemnate pana si in Biblie asa ca atat contestatarii existentei israelitilor cat si aceia ai existentei palestinienilor nu sunt decat niste jalnici inculti. Filistenii sunt un popor indoeuropean inrudit genetic si cultural cu autorii civilizatiilor de la Micene, Troia, care ajung in Palestina in sec. 13 i.e.n. In acea epoca filistienii locuiau numai in actuala regiune Gaza si nu in Iudeea si Samaria.
Palestinienii si israelitii sunt frati, despartiti de religie si interese materiale.
Conflicutul este intretinut si de cei ce aprovizioneaza cu arme cele 2 tabere: Europa si USA, de-o parte, Rusia, China, Coreea, Iranul, de cealalta.
Felicia Antip said
am January 11 2009 @ 8:45 pm
Teroristii palestinieni au obtinut in Romania doua mijloace de informare prin care isi difuzeaza propaganda mincinoasa si atatatoare: postul OTV, care le-a inchiriat (nu se precizeaza contra carei sume) o emisiune vorbita intr-un jargon romano-arab si acest buletin, care se straduieste sa satisfaca pornirile criminale ale putinilor rataciti de genul domenului Fane.
Desi efortul de a folosi ca sursa de informare oficina Al Jazeera merita sa fie consemnat, se poate merge si mai aproape de surse. Iata, de pilda, ce spune documentul program al ucigasilor din Hamas:
Daniel Von Fange
Hamas Charter
I mentally grasped the core of Roman warfare when I read Julius Caesar’s own writings, unfiltered and undistorted by others.
I’d never read the Hamas’ founding Charter until tonight. It’s an amazing document. I now know the raw, unfiltered core of one side of the “Middle East Problem”.
I had always thought that people who said that the long term plan was for the eradication of Israel were just pronouncing that based on their guesses based on terrorist actions. I wrong.
“Hammas is a social organization, dedicated to helping Palestinians.” I’ve heard it before. Here is little selection from the end of the charter.
Article Thirty-One: [To?] The Members of Other Religions The Hamas is a Humane Movement:
Hamas is a humane movement, which cares for human rights and is committed to the tolerance inherent in Islam as regards attitudes towards other religions. It is only hostile to those who are hostile towards it, or stand in its way in order to disturb its moves or to frustrate its efforts… … Islam accords his rights to everyone who has rights.
So who stands in the way of Hamas? And what are it’s efforts directed towards?
In the first paragraph of the charter:
…Israel will rise and will remain erect until Islam eliminates it as it had eliminated its predecessors…
On the concept of Waqf:
No Arab country nor the aggregate of all Arab countries, and no Arab King or President nor all of them in the aggregate, have that right, nor has that right any organization or the aggregate of all organizations, be they Palestinian or Arab, because Palestine is an Islamic Waqf throughout all generations and to the Day of Resurrection. Who can presume to speak for all Islamic Generations to the Day of Resurrection? This is the status [of the land] in Islamic Shari’a, and it is similar to all lands conquered by Islam by force, and made thereby Waqf lands upon their conquest, for all generations of Muslims until the Day of Resurrection.
So any land once owned by Muslims, must be Muslim controlled forever. (The whole land of Israel is considered to be a Islamic Waqf. What happens to people that are on land once owned by Muslims?
…Nothing is loftier or deeper in Nationalism than waging Jihad against the enemy and confronting him when he sets foot on the land of the Muslims…
There could never be peace with Israel because Israelis must be killed when found in the land of Israel. Then, the next section of the charter is entitled “Peaceful Solutions, [Peace] Initiatives and International Conferences”.
Peace] initiatives, the so-called peaceful solutions, and the international conferences to resolve the Palestinian problem, are all contrary to the beliefs of the Islamic Resistance Movement… … There is no solution to the Palestinian problem except by Jihad.
Ouch!
In Article Fifteen: The Jihad for the Liberation of Palestine is an Individual Obligation
We must imprint on the minds of generations of Muslims that the Palestinian problem is a religious one, to be dealt with on this premise… ….I swear by that who holds in His Hands the Soul of Muhammad! I indeed wish to go to war for the sake of Allah! I will assault and kill, assault and kill, assault and kill
In Article Sixteen:
We must accord the Islamic [young] generations in our area, an Islamic education based on the implementation of religious precepts, on the conscientious study of the Book of Allah; on the Study of the Prophetic Tradition, on the study of Islamic history and heritage from its reliable sources, under the guidance of experts and scientists, and on singling out the paths which constitute for the Muslims sound concepts of thinking and faith. It is also necessary to study conscientiously the enemy and its material and human potential; to detect its weak and strong spots, and to recognize the powers that support it and stand by it. At the same time, we must be aware of current events, follow the news and study the analyses and commentaries on it, together with drawing plans for the present and the future and examining every phenomenon, so that every Muslim, fighting Jihad, could live out his era aware of his objective, his goals, his way and the things happening round him…
Yow! These guys are no idiots. This is not the ranting of insane person, but a cold blooded, cool headed plan for eventually driving/killing Jews out of Israel.
In article Seventeen: The Role of Muslim Women
The Muslim women have a no lesser role than that of men in the war of liberation; they manufacture men and play a great role in guiding and educating the [new] generation. The enemies have understood that role, therefore they realize that if they can guide and educate [the Muslim women] in a way that would distance them from Islam, they would have won that war. Therefore, you can see them making consistent efforts [in that direction] by way of publicity and movies, curricula of education and culture… …Those Zionist organizations control vast material resources, which enable them to fulfill their mission amidst societies, with a view of implementing Zionist goals and sowing the concepts that can be of use to the enemy… … When Islam will retake possession of [the means to] guide the life [of the Muslims], it will wipe out those organizations which are the enemy of humanity and Islam.
They are smart. They are watching their “root” that will ensure the fighting keeps going from generation to generation.
Side note, Hitler took the long view too. From Mien Kamph:
The young boy or girl who is of German nationality and is a subject of the German State is bound to complete the period of school education which is obligatory for every German. Thereby he submits to the system of training which will make him conscious of his race and a member of the folk-community.
Then astounding irony found in Article Twenty:
…The Nazism of the Jews does not skip women and children, it scares everyone…
“Nazism of the Jews”!?!
Hamas is taking a long term view on killing Jews:
Social solidarity consists of extending help to all the needy, both materially and morally, or assisting in the execution of certain actions. It is incumbent upon the members of the Hamas to look after the interests of the masses the way they would look after their own interests. They must spare no effort in the implementation and maintenance of those interests, and they must avoid playing with anything that might effect the future generations or cause damage to their society. For the masses are of them and for them, their strength is [ultimately] theirs and their future is theirs. The members of Hamas must share with the people its joys and sorrows, and adopt the demands of the people and anything likely to fulfill its interests and theirs. When this spirit reigns, congeniality will deepen, cooperation and compassion will prevail, unity will firm up, and the ranks will be strengthened in the confrontation with the enemy.
They know the importance of a base of operations… They learned from Mao, who said:
Because guerrilla warfare basically derives from the masses and is supported by them, it can neither exist nor flourish if it separates itself from their sympathies and co-operation.
In Article Twenty-Eight:
…Israel, by virtue of its being Jewish and of having a Jewish population, defies Islam and the Muslims.
That line pretty much sums up their view.
So what did I learn. Hamas is a blood thirsty organization, dedicated to eliminating Israel. They are not stupid. In fact they are exceptionally clever. They are waging a long term, multi spectral war against Israel, and have every intention of winning. And peace with Israel is not something they would accept.
Daniel Von Fange
Hamas Charter
I mentally grasped the core of Roman warfare when I read Julius Caesar’s own writings, unfiltered and undistorted by others.
I’d never read the Hamas’ founding Charter until tonight. It’s an amazing document. I now know the raw, unfiltered core of one side of the “Middle East Problem”.
I had always thought that people who said that the long term plan was for the eradication of Israel were just pronouncing that based on their guesses based on terrorist actions. I wrong.
“Hammas is a social organization, dedicated to helping Palestinians.” I’ve heard it before. Here is little selection from the end of the charter.
Article Thirty-One: [To?] The Members of Other Religions The Hamas is a Humane Movement:
Hamas is a humane movement, which cares for human rights and is committed to the tolerance inherent in Islam as regards attitudes towards other religions. It is only hostile to those who are hostile towards it, or stand in its way in order to disturb its moves or to frustrate its efforts… … Islam accords his rights to everyone who has rights.
So who stands in the way of Hamas? And what are it’s efforts directed towards?
In the first paragraph of the charter:
…Israel will rise and will remain erect until Islam eliminates it as it had eliminated its predecessors…
On the concept of Waqf:
No Arab country nor the aggregate of all Arab countries, and no Arab King or President nor all of them in the aggregate, have that right, nor has that right any organization or the aggregate of all organizations, be they Palestinian or Arab, because Palestine is an Islamic Waqf throughout all generations and to the Day of Resurrection. Who can presume to speak for all Islamic Generations to the Day of Resurrection? This is the status [of the land] in Islamic Shari’a, and it is similar to all lands conquered by Islam by force, and made thereby Waqf lands upon their conquest, for all generations of Muslims until the Day of Resurrection.
So any land once owned by Muslims, must be Muslim controlled forever. (The whole land of Israel is considered to be a Islamic Waqf. What happens to people that are on land once owned by Muslims?
…Nothing is loftier or deeper in Nationalism than waging Jihad against the enemy and confronting him when he sets foot on the land of the Muslims…
There could never be peace with Israel because Israelis must be killed when found in the land of Israel. Then, the next section of the charter is entitled “Peaceful Solutions, [Peace] Initiatives and International Conferences”.
Peace] initiatives, the so-called peaceful solutions, and the international conferences to resolve the Palestinian problem, are all contrary to the beliefs of the Islamic Resistance Movement… … There is no solution to the Palestinian problem except by Jihad.
Ouch!
In Article Fifteen: The Jihad for the Liberation of Palestine is an Individual Obligation
We must imprint on the minds of generations of Muslims that the Palestinian problem is a religious one, to be dealt with on this premise… ….I swear by that who holds in His Hands the Soul of Muhammad! I indeed wish to go to war for the sake of Allah! I will assault and kill, assault and kill, assault and kill
In Article Sixteen:
We must accord the Islamic [young] generations in our area, an Islamic education based on the implementation of religious precepts, on the conscientious study of the Book of Allah; on the Study of the Prophetic Tradition, on the study of Islamic history and heritage from its reliable sources, under the guidance of experts and scientists, and on singling out the paths which constitute for the Muslims sound concepts of thinking and faith. It is also necessary to study conscientiously the enemy and its material and human potential; to detect its weak and strong spots, and to recognize the powers that support it and stand by it. At the same time, we must be aware of current events, follow the news and study the analyses and commentaries on it, together with drawing plans for the present and the future and examining every phenomenon, so that every Muslim, fighting Jihad, could live out his era aware of his objective, his goals, his way and the things happening round him…
Yow! These guys are no idiots. This is not the ranting of insane person, but a cold blooded, cool headed plan for eventually driving/killing Jews out of Israel.
In article Seventeen: The Role of Muslim Women
The Muslim women have a no lesser role than that of men in the war of liberation; they manufacture men and play a great role in guiding and educating the [new] generation. The enemies have understood that role, therefore they realize that if they can guide and educate [the Muslim women] in a way that would distance them from Islam, they would have won that war. Therefore, you can see them making consistent efforts [in that direction] by way of publicity and movies, curricula of education and culture… …Those Zionist organizations control vast material resources, which enable them to fulfill their mission amidst societies, with a view of implementing Zionist goals and sowing the concepts that can be of use to the enemy… … When Islam will retake possession of [the means to] guide the life [of the Muslims], it will wipe out those organizations which are the enemy of humanity and Islam.
They are smart. They are watching their “root” that will ensure the fighting keeps going from generation to generation.
Side note, Hitler took the long view too. From Mien Kamph:
The young boy or girl who is of German nationality and is a subject of the German State is bound to complete the period of school education which is obligatory for every German. Thereby he submits to the system of training which will make him conscious of his race and a member of the folk-community.
Then astounding irony found in Article Twenty:
…The Nazism of the Jews does not skip women and children, it scares everyone…
“Nazism of the Jews”!?!
Hamas is taking a long term view on killing Jews:
Social solidarity consists of extending help to all the needy, both materially and morally, or assisting in the execution of certain actions. It is incumbent upon the members of the Hamas to look after the interests of the masses the way they would look after their own interests. They must spare no effort in the implementation and maintenance of those interests, and they must avoid playing with anything that might effect the future generations or cause damage to their society. For the masses are of them and for them, their strength is [ultimately] theirs and their future is theirs. The members of Hamas must share with the people its joys and sorrows, and adopt the demands of the people and anything likely to fulfill its interests and theirs. When this spirit reigns, congeniality will deepen, cooperation and compassion will prevail, unity will firm up, and the ranks will be strengthened in the confrontation with the enemy.
They know the importance of a base of operations… They learned from Mao, who said:
Because guerrilla warfare basically derives from the masses and is supported by them, it can neither exist nor flourish if it separates itself from their sympathies and co-operation.
In Article Twenty-Eight:
…Israel, by virtue of its being Jewish and of having a Jewish population, defies Islam and the Muslims.
That line pretty much sums up their view.
So what did I learn. Hamas is a blood thirsty organization, dedicated to eliminating Israel. They are not stupid. In fact they are exceptionally clever. They are waging a long term, multi spectral war against Israel, and have every intention of winning. And peace with Israel is not something they would accept.
Pitpalac said
am January 11 2009 @ 10:28 pm
Acum, sa fiu sincer, sa fie la ei!
Nu sunt de acord cu nici un fel de violenta, ca nu a adus nimic bun vreodata, insa:
Sa spunem ca israelienii nu ar fi trebuit sa inceapa acest razboi. dar oare ei l-au inceput?
Chiar daca o luam de la Adam si Eva, nu ajungem decat la intrebarea: ce a fost mai intai, oul sau gaina?
Evreii au fost alungati, au ramas fara tara, apoi au capatat o tara, au fost altii (sau n-au fost) nedreptatiti, si asa mai departe.
Si la noi, daca ne gandim un pic, aceeasi disputa cu Ardealul si ungurii. Diferenta e ca noi nu ne-am mai dat-o la giale cu ungurii cu care, chiar daca nu ne iubim la nemurire, totusi am fost si unii si cred ca si altii suficient de maturi in gandire sa nu ne mai dam la oase, pentru ca nu asta e solutia.
Dar sa judecam totusi la rece: cum ar fi la …. Piatra Neamt de exemplu, daca ungurii de peste munte, dinspre Gheorgheni sau ce e in dreptul orasului asta, in Ardeal, sa tot arunce cu rachete prin curtile lor si sa semene teroare (aici e clar ca ungurii nostri sunt mai cuminti si mai destepti decat hamasnicii lor)?!
Pana la urma, nu am zice si noi, chiar daca nu locuim la Piatra Neamt, dar avem rude si prieteni: ajunge, gata cu …. aia! Si hai la razboi!
Deci eu zic asa, cine are dreptate si cine nu, nu se rezolva asa: nici cu teroarea, ca sa nu fie nici cu razboiul!
Stiu ca sufera oameni nevinovati, insa Hamas nu a ajuns la putere de capul lui, nu am vazut sa fie nici o miscare de rezistenta impotriva acestuia din partea celorlalti palestinieni si faptul ca luptatorii hamas se ascund printre civili, inseamna ca li se permite.
Asa ca daca nu erau atentatele teroriste si tirurile de rachete, nu incepea razboiul. Sau pur si simplu nu se furniza pretextul. Altele erau datele problemei atunci!
Tizul said
am January 12 2009 @ 12:28 am
@Felicia Antip- Si pe mine m-a contrariat incercarea de a prezenta conflictul numai din perspectiva araba.
))
@ Pitpalac- KO-Rect si ie zact!
Tizul said
am January 12 2009 @ 2:35 am
http://nucredetzi.ablog.ro/2009-01-12/cnn-si-manipularea-stirilor-despre-gaza-ziarul-ziua.html
un baiat destept said
am January 12 2009 @ 9:54 am
Eu ma intreb cum stau atatia israelieini de rand acolo in conditiile astea, cu razboiul pe ei de atatea zeci de ani, cu amenintarea asta permanenta de a fi ucis intr-un atentat. Hai sa zic ca palestinienii or fi saraci si nu au ce vinde sa poata pleca, si poate ca astia ii si urmaresc si ii omoara daca incearca sa dea bir cu fugitii.
Dar la evrei chiar nu inteleg.
Cand e atat de simplu, sunt bogati, sunt raspanditi prin toata lumea, sunt la ei acasa in america, de ce or sta acolo si accepta sa duca o viata riscanta.
Eu va spun sincer ca daca in Romania ar izbugni un razboi local, gen moldovenii cu muntenii sau ungurii cu romanii, mi-as lua familia si m-as duce in strainatate.
Apoi ma mai intreb, daca sa zicem, prin absurd, arabii reusesc sa controleze israelul sau israelul renunta si se retrage fortat de comunitatea internationala oare atunci ar inceta atacurile teroriste? Fiindca daca ar fi asa pe cuvant ca ar merita ca intreaga comunitate internationala sa forteze mana israelului sa termine cu razboiul chiar renuntand, iar Israelul ma gandesc ca nu ar putea lupta cu toata planeta, doar daca nebunii nu ar arunca-o in aer p toata si eventual si soarele cu ea cu tot.
Cand te gandesti ca numai cateva milioane de oameni stau ca un ghimpe acolo in mijlocul a sute de milioane parca iti vine sa zici asa matematic la rece, cand e vorba de securitatea mondiala mai bine cateva milioane in minus si apoi pace, ca oricum din ani 50 pana azi cred cau au murit acolo mai multi de cat sunt isereul si gaza impreuna.
Poate pune vre-un nebun mana pe o nucleara si face curatenie acolo in zona si se termina cu macelul asta care se pare ca nu mai impresioneaza pe nimeni ci doar irita prin faptul ca imediat se face legatura cu atentatele care au avut loc in lume.
Eu de cand eram copil mic in ani 70 80 imi amintesc cum auzeam in mod regulat in fiecare buletin de stiri de la radio, despre victime, razboi de gherila, atentate, palestina, liban, cisioordania, gaza, etc. Astia nu s-or fi plictisit?
Darius Stan said
am January 12 2009 @ 10:09 am
Referitor la utilizarea de armament interzis.
Avand in vedere ca interzicerea productieisau utilizarii de armament se stabileste prin niste conventii( amintim aici celebra conventie de la GENEVA din 1929 cu privire la utilizarea gazelor ucigatoare) putem spune ca desi au avut loc cel mai putin trei intruniri la nivel mondial pe an pentru realizarea dezideratului unei paci durabile, SUA si Israel desi participante sunt singurele state ce s-au pronuntat impotriva ingradiriilor universale de utilizarea a armamentului ce aduce schilodirea , sau produce moartea menbrilor civili necombatanti.
Pentru o mai buna intelegere va rog sa studiati razboiul din Liban rezolutia Tribunalului de la Haga 2007. De asemenea conferinta internationala de la Dublin/08/2007 cu privire la semnarea unui acord de scoatere din armamentul conventional al bombelor cu fragmentare. Conferinta de la Atlanta ….. etc
Felicia Antip said
am January 12 2009 @ 11:59 am
Folosirea bombelor cu fosfor de catre Israel este o minciuna sfruntata si absurda.
Problema sacrificarii fara scrupule a copiilor este singura reala. Ea a aparut odata cu razboiul dintre Uran si Irak, cand copii iranieni erau folositi pe post de detectori de mine anti-persoane: li se lega la gat o cheita de aur cu care urmau sa deschida poarta raiului si li se promitea, la sosire, ca vor avea parte de 70 de fecioare si erau manati pe campurile minate din tara nimanui in avangarda armatei iraniene.
Teroristii palestinieni au preluat metoda si i-au invatat pe copii si pe tineri, inclusiv femei gravide, sa se jertfeasca, incingandu-se cu explozivi si autodetonandu-se in centre israeliene aglomerate. Initial, aceasta forma de terorism a fost incurajata de unele state arabe producatoare de petrol, care plateau prime grase (circa 25000 de dolari) fiecarei familii care-si sacrificase in felul acesta un copil. In ultima perioada, statele arabe si-au revizuit atitudinea fata de aceasta barbarie. Teroristii din hamas nu mai pot conta decat pe sprijinul efectiv al Iranului, iar sacrificarea copiilor a capatat alt chip: copiii sunt ingramaditi in numar cat mai mare in jurul sau deasupra cuiburilor de lansatoare de rachete si al statelor majore pe care armata israeliana anunta ca le va ataca. Nu li se permite sa coboare in adaposturi, acestea fiind rezervate Hamas-ului si interzise populatiei civile. Este o monstruozitate de neinteles nu doar pentru omenirea civilizata ci si pentru cei mai primitivi umani si chiar pentru animale, care-si protejeaza instinciv puii.
Iata inca un articol la zi care explica situatia:
THE DEMONS OF GAZA
ONLY HAMAS IS TO BLAME FOR THE WAR; ONLY THE PALESTINIANS CAN STOP IT
January 10, 2009
Ralph Peters
The New York Post
Israel hasn’t killed a single civilian in the Gaza Strip. Over a hundred
civilians have died, and Israeli bombs or shells may have ended their lives.
But Israeli didn’t kill them.
Hamas did.
It’s time to smash the lies. The lies of Hamas. The UN lies. And the
save-the-terrorists lies of the global media.
There is no moral equivalence between Hamas terrorists and Israeli soldiers.
There is no gray area. There is no point in negotiations.
Hamas is a Jew-killing machine. It exists to destroy Israel. What is there
to negotiate?
When Hamas can’t kill Jews, it’s perfectly willing to drive Palestinian
civilians into the line of fire – old men, women and children. Hamas herds
the innocent into “shelters,” then draws Israeli fire on them. And the
headline-greedy media cheer them on.
Hamas isn’t fighting for political goals. “Brokered agreements” are purely
means to an end. And the envisioned end is the complete destruction of
Israel in the name of a terrorist god. Safe in hidden bunkers or in
Damascus, the Hamas leadership is willing to watch an unlimited number of
civilians and even street-level terrorists die.
Lives, too, are nothing but means to an end. And dead kids are the coins
that keep the propaganda meter ticking.
All Hamas had to do to prevent Israel’s act of self-defense was to leave
Israel unmolested by terror rockets. All Hamas needs to do now to stop this
conflict and spare the Palestinian people it pretends to champion is to stop
trying to kill Israelis and agree to let Israel exist in peace.
Hamas didn’t, and Hamas won’t.
Now Israel has to continue its attack, to wreak all the havoc it can on
Hamas before a new American president starts meddling. If Israel stops now,
Hamas can declare victory just for surviving – despite its crippling losses.
While it’s impossible to fully eliminate extremism, killing every terrorist
leader hiding in a Gaza bunker is the only hope of achieving even a
temporary, imperfect peace. The chance may not come again.
And don’t worry about “creating a power vacuum.” Let the Palestinians pick
up their own pieces. Even anarchy in Gaza is better for Israel than Hamas.
Israelis, Americans and Westerners overall share a tragic intellectual blind
spot: We’re caught in yesterday’s model of terrorism, that of Arafat’s PLO,
of the IRA, the Red Brigades or the Weather Underground. But, as brutal as
those organizations could be, they never believed they were on a mission
from God.
Yesteryear’s terrorists wanted to change the world. They were willing to
shed blood and, in extreme cases, to give their own blood to their causes.
But they didn’t seek death. They preferred to live to see their “better
world.”
Now our civilization faces terrorists who regard death as a promotion. They
believe that any action can be excused because they’re serving their god.
And their core belief is that you and I, as stubborn unbelievers, deserve
death.
Their grisly god knows no compromise. To give an inch is to betray their
god’s trust entirely. Yet we – and even some Israelis – believe it’s
possible to cut deals with them.
In search of peace, Israel handed Gaza to the Palestinians, a people who had
never had a state of their own. As thanks, Israel received terror rockets.
And the Palestinian people got a gang war.
Peace is the last thing Hamas terrorists and gangsters want. Peace means the
game is up. Peace means they’ve disappointed their god. Peace means no more
excuses. They couldn’t bear peace for six months.
This is a war to the bitter end. And we’re afraid to admit what it’s about.
It’s not about American sins or Israeli intransigence. It’s about a sickness
in the soul of a civilization – of Middle-Eastern Islam – that can only be
cured from within. Until Arabs or Iranians decide to cure themselves, we’ll
have to fight.
Instead, we want to talk. We convince ourselves, against all evidence, that
our enemies really want to talk, too, that they just need “incentives” (the
diplomat’s term for bribes). The apparent belief of our president-elect that
it’s possible to negotiate with faith-fueled fanatics is so naive it’s
terrifying.
Yet, it’s understandable. Barack Obama’s entire career has been built on
words, not deeds, on his power to persuade, not his power to deliver. But
all the caucuses, debates, neighborhood meetings and backroom deal-making
sessions in his past haven’t prepared him to “negotiate” with men whose
single-minded goal is Israel’s destruction – and ours.
If Obama repeats the same “peace-process” folly as his predecessors, from
Jimmy have-you-hugged-your-terrorist-today? Carter through Bill Clinton and
George W. Bush, he’ll be devoured before he knows he’s been bitten.
How many administrations have to repeat the identical error of believing
that, deep down inside, terrorists, gunmen and warlords really want peace
every bit as much as we do? Israel’s enemies aren’t just looking to cut a
sharp deal. They want to destroy Israel.
Which part of what they shout in our faces is so hard to understand?
Israel’s foes have been preaching Jew-hatred for so long that even the
“moderates” can’t turn back now.
And why does the global left hate Israel so? Why would they pull out the
stops to rescue Hamas?
Because Israel exposed the lie that a suffering people can’t lift itself up
through hard work, education and discipline. Israel didn’t need the help of
a hundred condescending NGOs and their misery junkies.
Because the Holocaust is a permanent embarrassment to Europeans. They need
to believe that Israelis are kosher Nazis.
Because, from the safety of cafes and campuses, it’s cool to call terrorists
“freedom fighters.” It makes you feel less guilty when you hit up daddy (or
the state) for money. I mean, dude, it’s not like you have to, like, live
with them or anything, you know?
(The preceding sentence is not a direct quote from Caroline Kennedy.)
Because, above all, the most-destructive racists in the world today are
mainstream leftists. Want the truth? The Left codes Israel as white and,
therefore, inherently an oppressor. Israel is held to the highest standard
of our civilization and our legal codes – and denied the right to
self-defense.
But the Left tacitly believes that people with darker skins are inferior and
can’t be expected to behave at a civilized level. Leftists expect terrorist
movements or African dictators to behave horribly. It’s the post-modern,
latte-sucking version of the “little brown brother” mentality.
The worst enemies of developing societies have been leftists who refuse to
hold them to fundamental standards of governance and decency. But, then, the
Left needs developing societies to fail to prove that the system’s
hopelessly stacked against them.
A battered, impoverished, butchered people built a thriving Western
democracy in an Eastern wasteland. Israel can never be forgiven for its
success.
In this six-decade-old conflict that Israel’s intractable neighbors continue
to force upon it, there not only are no good solutions, but, thanks to the
zero-sum mentality of Islamist terrorists, there aren’t even any bad
solutions – short of nuclear genocide – that would bring an enduring peace
to the Middle East.
And even the elimination of Israel wouldn’t be enough. The terrorists would
fight among themselves, while warring upon less-devout fellow Muslims.
All Israel can do is to fight for time and buy intervals of relative calm
with the blood of its sons and daughters. By demanding premature cease-fires
and insisting that we can find a diplomatic solution, we strengthen monsters
and undercut our defenders.
And don’t believe the propaganda about this conflict rallying Gaza’s
Palestinians behind Hamas. That’s more little-brown-brother condescension,
assuming all Arabs are so stupid they don’t know who started this and who’s
dragging it out at their expense.
Gaza’s people may not care much for Israelis, but they rue the day they cast
their votes for Hamas. Hamas is killing them.
Ralph Peters is a retired U.S. Army officer and the author of “Looking For
Trouble.”
http://saccsiv.wordpress.com/2009/01/11/cateva-motive-pentru-care-sunt-urati-evreii-gaza-rabini-contra-sionism/ said
am January 12 2009 @ 12:14 pm
Reveniti dupa o vizita la presedintele iranian Ahmadinejad, cativa rabini explica intr-o emisiune televizata motivul pentru care au o atitudine contrara sionismului. Aflam ca chiar si in 1944 puteau fi salvati multi dintre evreii din Ungaria, deoarece nazistii flamanzi fiind dupa fonduri au fost deschisi unei astfel de intelegeri „ evrei contra bani „ , insa ELITELE bogatane sioniste n-au fost de acord. Si este evident ca nu doreau asa ceva din moment ce ele chiar FINANTASERA nazismul:
http://saccsiv.wordpress.com/2009/01/05/nazismul-partea-2-finantatorii-si-sustinatorii-national-socialismului/
Si o facusera deoarece au avut nevoie atat de declansarea razboiului cat si de holocaust, pentru crearea mai apoi a unui zid concentric protector, a unui formidabil sistem ( inclusiv legislativ ) anti antisemitism in spatele caruia sa-si faca nestanjeniti de cap.
De aceea dr. Nahum Goldman ( 1894 – 1982 ), presedinte al World Zionist Organization, avertiza in 1958 la World Jewish Conference in Geneva:
„ Un declin al puternicului curent anti-semitism sincer , ar putea constiutui un nou pericol pentru supravietuirea evreiasca . Disparitia anti-semitismului va avea efecte foarte negative asupra activitatii noastre „
Iar acei rabini observa foarte bine folosirea holocaustului ca formidabila unealta si nu sunt de acord cu aceasta. Mai spun ei ca marea problema din Orientul Apropiat este actuala formula de stat a Israelului, generatoare de mega probleme voite. Amintesc ca sute de ani evreii aveau comunitati ce traiau in buna intelegere cu musulmanii, pana cand sionistii s-au gandit ca nu este bine asa …
In aceasta chestiune si eu zic la fel ca ei. Aici sta sursa multor rele: activitatea ELITELOR atat pe plan mondial, cat si in Orientul Apropiat. Dar opiniei publice i se ascunde acest lucru prin mass-media manipulatoare si prin clasa politica marioneta.
RAZBOI “ ATIPIC “
Dupa cum deja ati observat, actuala desfasurare a actiunilor din Gaza este mult diferita de “ tiparul “ cu care de zeci de ani ne obisnuiseram. Israelul parca face tot ce-i sta in putinta sa-i sara lumea in cap. Apar pe mapamond manifestatii contra actiunii sale cu mult mai mari si cu mult mai numeroase decat in trecut. Stiind ca ELITELE n-au dat dovada in istorie de nici un fel de scrupul umanitar, nici macar fata de poporul evreu, ca ei au declansat mega criza economica mondiala actuala si ca au nevoie si de un mare razboi pentru crearea unui cumul de crize pentru a veni cu “ solutia “ GUVERNULUI MONDIAL al NOII ORDINI MONDIALE, putem presupune ca daca nu acesta va fi inceputul celui de al treilea razboi mondial, atunci este sigur o tatonare a sa.
m.Pertz said
am January 12 2009 @ 3:00 pm
Urbane, ar fi bine sa te mai documentezi….daca tot iti place sa dai in si dupa evrei sau incereci sa scoti doar asta in evidenta…
In caz ca nu ai vazut ultimele declaratii care au aparut pe site-urile de news la prima ora, palestinienii incep deja sa acuze gruparea Hamas pentru ce se intampla…multi apartinatori ai gruparii Fatah au fost executati de Hamas ca nu cumva sa se intoarca cu armele impotriva lor pentru ce se intampla in Palestina. Cand Israelul a oprit focul pt 3 ore pentru a lasa sa treaca camioanele cu ajutoare umanitare, Hamas a continuat sa trimita rachete la evrei. Ahmadinejad a avertizat Hamas sa nu cumva sa asculte de Egipt cu privirea la incetarea focului…Ceea ce a provocat Hamas este manaria Iranului, SIriei si Libanului tocmai pentru a-si continua planurile la chestiile nucleare pe care ei vor sa le faca, putina distragere a atentiei “nu strica”…
Cititi asta:
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1231424929369&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1231424929296&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull
obiectivu said
am January 12 2009 @ 6:12 pm
Asta data de Tizul e f. buna ca sa va faceti o idee cum se fabrica multe stiri din astea cu care ne bombardeaza Urban despre victimele razboiului. Uitati-va la imaginile de acolo si o sa vedeti o scena dintr-un spital cu o regie mai penibila ca in cele mai ieftine telenovele – un tip incearca resuscitarea unei paturi si apoi medicii constata pe monitor ca patura nu mai are semne vitale
) Si totul era, cica, filmat, nici mai mult, nici mai putin decat de “fratele decedatului”, care, in timp ce fra’su mai mic murea, filma linistit ca la botez.
miruna said
am January 13 2009 @ 2:16 am
pai normal ca filma ca la botez, pt ei a devenit o stare normala sa mori pana si in chinuri, daca asa ia obisnuit armata israeliana sustinuta de gasca lui bush care le a vandut arme si italia franta cehia si tara noastra romania dar oricum nu traim noi pe banii obtinuti din astfel de marsavii…politicieni dau socoteala pt asta
e foarte frumos sa spui ca i regizat daca nu “traiesti acolo” daca se poate numi asa
miruna said
am January 13 2009 @ 2:40 am
doamna Felicia antip o gasca de primitivi sunt toti cei care le vand arme in primul rand, chiar daca admitem ca Hamas este o miscare terorista,teroristi sunt cei care le vand arme:gasca lui putin, cineva de prin china,romania care vinde si la unii si la altii ba israelului ba hamasului dupa cum ii vine,franta italia si bineinteles marea sustinatoare gasca lui bush.
astia isi bat joc de noi toti si de evrei si de palestinieni
daca s ar fi vrut pace in zona aceea ar fi fost facuta de mult dar asa se imbogatesc sarlatanii, oricum ma intreb daca fondurile astea care zic ei ca le trimit acolo in Gaza chiar ajung in Gaza, sau ajung prin buzunarele maimutoaielor care sunt etalate ca gsatile care ne conduc nu si arata fata.
niste mizerabili fara constiinta, ma intreb daca Dumnezeu ii mai suporta
mark deuteronomovic ( Atheist 100%( said
am April 18 2009 @ 12:12 am
Dangerous religions Hate!
Bible and Korans Fundamentalism? Gaza & Israel. Atheism is our Future, Worldfuture! We do not need the Bible or Koran, we do not need Weappons, we do not need Tenks, Wall. We do not need God and Allah. We need Education, Konversation, Dialog between Palestinians and Israelis. The Bible and Koran are our biggest Enemy!
We do not need jewish criminal Torah: (Genocide, Terrorism, Racism, Hate, Jahwe, War, Vandalism, Separatism, Lie, Militarism). We need Education, Science, not Global jewish Jesus! We are a people! We are not Christians, Jewish or Muslems! We are a people, same people no diference!
We do not need jewish Torahschools or KOranschools, we need a
Scienceschoolls. We are a people, we are not Jewish, Christians
or Muslems!